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knieft
Kamaaina

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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:03:17  Show Profile  Visit knieft's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by glinda

Am I right to assume if need be the techs can get to the summit via helicopter? I know helicopters go that high, I have been there in a few times, and several times on the summit of Mauna Loa. Seems to me this would be the most non confrontational way to get things done. Could slip in and out without anyone knowing if approach from Hamakua side.



Am I right to assume that the techs should be able to get there in the road the observatories built?

Could slip right in if the road wasn't blocked by misguided folks that are enabled by any and all authority.

Non-confrontational? One wonders where you come from.

Kirt
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:13:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Non confrontational would be to let the techs drive up there without confrontation.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:15:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why the delete HOTPE?

I donít mind opening my big mouth when itís clearly my personal opinion.
In this case, I wanted to avoid creating problems for observatory workers if someone misquotes my suggestion to someone who misunderstands the context, who then claims, you know what telescope workers are doing?

When in fact itís just me, an unpaid counter-protestor.
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TomK
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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:17:35  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
"Non confrontational would be to let the techs drive up there without confrontation."

As was agreed to by the protestors in two separate meetings on Monday and they said would allow in the media.
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TomK
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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:22:32  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I saw no harm in what you wrote, HOTPE. What you wouldn't have known is that if observatory staff have to attempt to get to the summit because there is an emergency with the instrumentation, they will use a buddy system so no-one feels alone when suddenly having to deal with the protesters. In addition, it allows the buddy to photograph or video what is happening. As you can see from this incident, the protestors' word cannot be trusted. What's sadder is some trust had been built up between the Maunakea Observatories and the protestors, but the latter have blown it.

Edited by - TomK on 07/23/2019 19:24:36
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glinda
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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:25:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Non confrontational would be to let the techs drive up there without confrontation.

I agree wholeheartedly. But, as per the press release, there's sensitive equipment that needs servicing. So I was offering an alternative that takes into consideration the humbug on the access road and still offers a means by which to get the job done.

Otherwise at some point, it seems the equipment and the techs are being used, by both sides, as pawns.
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dan d
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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:35:30  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A late introduction of Resolution 233-19, asking the Governor and Mayor for a moratorium on the construction of the TMT by Hawaii County Council member Maile David, will be taken up at tomorrow's Hawaii County Council meeting in Kona at the West Hawaii Civic Center starting at 9 am.

Please consider attending tomorrow's hearing and voicing your opposition of the resolution and moratorium. The TMT project has followed every procedure and process in obtaining its permit to build the next generation telescope.

Should the Hawaii County Council vote to allow this late legislation onto its agenda, oral public testimony will be heard at the beginning of the Council meeting and is limited to three (3) minutes per agenda item.

Thank you for all the years of support and testimony.


A RESOLUTION STRONGLY URGING THE HONORABLE GOVERNOR IGE AND THE HONORABLE MAYOR HARRY KIM TO HONOR THE REQUEST OF SENATOR KAIALI#699;I KAHELE CALLING FOR A MORATORIUM ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE THIRTY METER TELESCOPE ON MAUNA A WAKEA.

WHEREAS, on July 15, 2019 hundreds of native Hawaiians and supporters peacefully gathered at Pu#699;uhululu expressing reverence, respect and support for preserving and protecting the sacred Mauna A Wakea and have continuously demonstrated non-violence and respect in upholding Kapu Aloha; and

WHEREAS, on July 17, 2019 pursuant to sections 127A-2 and 127A- 14, Hawai#699;i Revised Statutes the Honorable Governor Ige issued a Proclamation of Emergency declaring there is an imminent danger or threat of an emergency, in the County of Hawai#699;i, State of Hawai#699;i, and do hereby proclaim a state of emergency for the purpose of implementing emergency management functions as allowed by law in order to protect the health, safety, and welfare of the people; ....;" and

WHEREAS, Chapter 127A, Emergency Management, section 127A- 1( a), the policy and purpose provides, in part:

"Because of the existing and increasing possibility of the occurrence of disasters or emergencies of unprecedented size and destructiveness resulting from natural or manmade hazards, and in order to ensure the preparation of this State will be adequate to deal with such disasters or emergencies; to ensure the administration of state and federal programs providing disaster relief to individuals; and generally to protect the public health, safety, and welfare and to preserve the lives and property of the people of the State...." (emphasis added); and

WHEREAS, there appears controversy within the community whether the Proclamation issued by Governor Ige was necessary and justified as a means to address native Hawaiians' peaceful demonstration in asserting their separate and distinct rights to preserve and protect traditional, cultural, religious and subsistence practices as guaranteed by law and the Hawai#699;i State Constitution; and

WHEREAS, in the interest of peace and kapu Aloha, the request for a 60-day construction moratorium of the Thirty Meter Telescope is supported and justified; now, therefore,

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE COUNTY OF HAWAII that the Honorable Governor David Ige is strongly urged to support the request of the Honorable Kaiali#699;i Kahele and impose a 60-day moratorium on the construction of the Thirty Meter Telescope;

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Honorable Mayor Harry Kim is also strongly urged to support Honorable Kaiali#699;i Kahele's request to Governor Ige for imposition of a 60-day construction moratorium;

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the County Clerk shall forward a copy of this resolution to the Honorable Governor David Ige, the Honorable Mayor Harry Kim, the Honorable Senator Kaiali#699;i Kahele, Chairperson of the Department of Land and Natural Resources, Suzanne Case, Chief of Police, Paul Ferreira, Fire Chief Darren Rosario, Director of Finance, Deanna Sako, Prosecuting Attorney, Mitch Ro[th], and the Office of the Corporation Counsel.





TMT
The Thirty Meter Telescope (TMT) Project has been developed as collaboration among Caltech, the University of California (UC), the Association of Canadian Universities for Research in Astronomy (ACURA), and the national institutes of Japan, China, and India with the goal to design, develop, construct, and operate a thirty-meter class telescope and observatory on Maunakea in cooperation with the University of Hawaii (TMT Project). The TMT International Observatory LLC (TIO), a non-profit organization, was established in May 2014 to carry out the construction and operation phases of the TMT Project. The Members of TIO are Caltech, UC, the National Institutes of Natural Sciences of Japan, the National Astronomical Observatories of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, the Department of Science and Technology of India, and the National Research Council (Canada); the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA) is a TIO Associate. Major funding has been provided by the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation.

For more information about the TMT project, visit tmt.org, www.facebook.com/TMTHawaii or follow @TMTHawaii.

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Oh yea senator kai makin his honerable appearence.we
Are so blessed kai,

Maybe he will run for vp instead of Gabbards job.

Yep he hates TMT
Hates STEM , that obviously means he hates, kids getting a good education, well his are special and dont have to go to school with our kids.

Easy life eh

Now if a majority of hawaiians showed they want tmt, he woild make a much different speach.
Aloha

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dan d
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USA
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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:45:29  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
BTW this resolution is as important as a letter to the editor
Lol


HPP
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knieft
Kamaaina

990 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2019 :  19:49:14  Show Profile  Visit knieft's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by glinda

So I was offering an alternative that takes into consideration the humbug on the access road and still offers a means by which to get the job done.

Otherwise at some point, it seems the equipment and the techs are being used, by both sides, as pawns.



Thanks so much for your consideration, Glinda. ďHumbugĒ on the access road? Itís not really humbug. It is misguided folks blaming a proposed telescope for something or other.

It seems the ďprotectorsĒ and the imports are being used by their own ignorance.

Pawns? We donít need no stinking pawns! More or less...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bctYe13iePI

Cheers,
Kirt
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ironyak
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USA
3058 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2019 :  20:02:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Be it resolved that if you use gut and replace on a bill to avoid public input and reverse the intent of the legislation, Honorable is no longer applied to your name Kaiali'i Kahele.
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macuu222
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Virgin Islands (United Kingdom)
3061 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2019 :  20:10:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Interesting that the demonstrators are peaceful but only because the State has allowed them to act illegally if they do stay peaceful. Blocking the road is illegal. Hundreds of observatory workers that work on the summit can't work because of them. If the State moved them off the highway, they would clearly become violent and they would cause people to be hurt. If this happened in China, tanks would have run right over them. Whether you think that's good or bad, it's clearly good that we don't live in China. It's also lucky for the protesters that they don't live in "old" Hawaii - where protesters were instantly killed. There was no freedom of speech or assembly or individual rights and land could be given or sold to anyone the king took a fancy to. Most of the protesters live in a fantasy world that never existed and never will. TMT is an excuse for them to gather, like kids at a party, and feel like they are way more important and powerful than they will ever be, at least until they start to solve their own problems and stop expecting someone else to take care of them."
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TomK
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USA
8398 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2019 :  20:15:41  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
100% in agreement, ironyak.

Incidentally, I now have a link to today's news release by the Maunakea Observatories. Please feel free to pass around.

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1103201627075&ca=26aa0d9f-b584-4a82-a622-8be7d1053a30

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Seeb
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2003 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2019 :  20:20:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why donít they use helicopters to transport personal to the base camp (or what ever call it )
PTA had been training air crews to fly in Afghanistan. Two birds one stone
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glinda
Punatic

USA
1364 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2019 :  20:29:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Kirt, why don't you think before you post? You know, actually consider the situation and make statements that reflect your considerations. As it is you come off as a kid that's throwing a temper tantrum. Which is ok, although I suspect you are more than a kid, and would like to be respected as such. Whereas all I can make out of your post is desire to blame your woes on me. Which is fine, post your address and I'll send to one of my, "Don't Blame Me It's All Glinda's Fault" t-shirts.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 07/23/2019 :  20:33:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll send to one of my, "Don't Blame Me It's All Glinda's Fault" t-shirts.

Iíd like one too! What colors are available?
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