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PaulW
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Posted - 12/15/2016 :  03:14:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38296251

I hope this technology makes it to Hawaii one day.
The anti-science will no doubt try to stop it though.

gypsy69
Punatic

USA
2014 Posts

Posted - 12/15/2016 :  13:22:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, that sure is some-kind of technology being used in Iceland. The power plant using that technology looked like it was several miles from any communities rather than yards. In fact the power plant looked like it was in the middle of nowhere on a old lava field. The turain and rock looked much different than most of lower Puna's. jmo

This link here shows how some may want to save their home or Iceland from this type of technology and the continued geothermal operations.
http://www.savingiceland.org/tag/geothermal-energy/

http://www.savingiceland.org/2012/08/hellisheidi-a-geothermal-embarrassment/
Some interesting health related comments follow that article above.

Geothermal plants and their operations should not be allowed in our precious and rare environment of Puna. The geothermal power plants are an invasive plant in our rain forest. They help divide our nearby communities, cause an increase in our health care while providing no real benefits. Preserving or saving Puna as a place to heal should be a priority or our kuleana because Puna is one of the most unique places in the world to ever visit or have the opportunity to live. jmo

http://www.hawaiilife.com/articles/2012/10/hawaii-healing/

Puna has always been a place to heal a place where time or change happened slowly.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/26/us/energy-project-imperils-a-rain-forest.html?pagewanted=all

The Puna rain forests may need more protection these days and less geothermal development. jmo



Edited to add links

Edited by - gypsy69 on 12/15/2016 14:09:35
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8020 Posts

Posted - 12/15/2016 :  14:09:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The power plant using that technology looked like it was several miles from any communities rather than yards. In fact the power plant looked like it was in the middle of nowhere on a old lava field.

If a similar plant was built on Big Island, where would you suggest it's located?

"One may pretend knowledge of philosophy more successfully than that of arithmetic." -Last Aphorisms (or how about, one may pretend knowledge with an opinion more successfully than with facts)
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

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Posted - 12/15/2016 :  14:13:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I tend to support more geothermal myself. If anything is damaging the rain forest it is people.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12073 Posts

Posted - 12/15/2016 :  17:12:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Geothermal plants and their operations should not be allowed in our precious and rare environment of Puna.

Cesspools and paved roads should not be allowed in our precious and rare (you forgot "sacred") environment of Puna.
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bananahead
Punatic

USA
1151 Posts

Posted - 12/15/2016 :  20:36:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
gypsy, go cut an albizia down..or pull up a dozen Miconia plants... help your pseudopristine Puna..

geothermal.. hot earth heating ground water to make steam to turn turbines to make electricity... and it can 'work' for hundreds/thousands of yrs... win win win win win

funny how not many balk in Geyserville NorCal and Iceland where they do this too... in Sonoma County, they actually pipe Santa Rosa's wastewater many miles up to the geysers as the 'groundwater source' for the steam... they been doing this for many many yrs

Iceland is easy, it has the same amount of people as Bakersfield CA, but is as big as 10 Big Islands. so its easy to find a rural place... they dont have trees or people there, and its cold as F~... see below aloha

ps this is all the people in Iceland in this video, and all the trees too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LeQN249Jqw





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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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PaulW
Punatic

5494 Posts

Posted - 12/16/2016 :  03:09:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, let's pump up, transport and burn oil from all over the world instead of simply digging a hole here and enjoying the free energy.
What a twisted mindset.
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ironyak
Punatic

USA
2927 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  03:48:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As if things were that simplistic or those were the only choices. You might want to do some reading (such as gypsy69's top link) about Iceland's moves to tighten air quality laws and expand buffer zones around geothermal plants based on studies of negative health and environmental impacts to understand how Iceland's geothermal industry and our's differ.

Or you could continue your false dilemma, strawman trolling, but it's
clear you have spent plenty of effort there already.
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PaulW
Punatic

5494 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  05:04:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have you been to Iceland? I have, great place.
Have you ever read any of Gypsy's links? I have, don't bother.
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PaulW
Punatic

5494 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  05:20:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay, I relented and read his Saving Iceland link. Those people make the Protestors sound like geniuses.
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leilanidude
Punatic

USA
3621 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  05:50:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ironyak

As if things were that simplistic or those were the only choices. You might want to do some reading (such as gypsy69's top link) about Iceland's moves to tighten air quality laws and expand buffer zones around geothermal plants based on studies of negative health and environmental impacts to understand how Iceland's geothermal industry and our's differ.

Or you could continue your false dilemma, strawman trolling, but it's
clear you have spent plenty of effort there already.



Iceland used to use open geothermal systems which simply vented the excess gasses into the air. They are moving to the same types of closed loop systems already in place in Hawaii (PGV).
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12073 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  07:53:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
expand buffer zones around geothermal plants

Too late for buffer zones -- side effect of our "fake zoning" problem.
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ironyak
Punatic

USA
2927 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  10:18:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by PaulW
Okay, I relented and read his Saving Iceland link. Those people make the Protestors sound like geniuses.


Is that really all you have to add? I always wonder if trolls understand that belittling others lends neither strength to their argument nor credibility to their persona. I guess not as it doesn't seem to dissuade them...

Leilanidude - and/or they are also using emission containment systems required by new laws based on the review of ongoing scientific studies (in summary they are working continously to address issues).

As has been discussed here repeatedly, if you want successful "Iceland style" geothermal then you need rational legislation and oversight, reliable plant operation without incident, and competitive pricing structures. After 25 years of geothermal here, local government, PGV, and HELCO have not been able to provide any of these so don't hold you're breath (unless you smell something - jk ;)

Edited by - ironyak on 12/17/2016 10:19:38
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PaulW
Punatic

5494 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  10:58:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Belittling others? What, like calling them "troll"? Though it's hardly an insult anymore, it's become shorthand for "anyone who disagrees".

I started to wonder if that Iceland website was a joke. But it sounded perfectly rational to you?

Iceland shows us what the BI could be energy-wise if we didn't have NIMBYs and a noisy anti-science movement.

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ironyak
Punatic

USA
2927 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  11:32:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When every post ends with disparing others, yeah it's trolling. I'd guess we actually agree on many things but why bother to have a discussion with "NIMBY, anti-science, less-than-genius individuals with a twisted mindset"?

Perhaps you want to point out the irrationality in gypsy69's link that invalidates everything said there? Or defend the county's history of geothermal regulation, PGV's record of operation, or HELCO's work to lower rates for geothermal energy? But that's not needed of course as it's the "anti-science crowd" that is responsible for the failure of geothermal's success here, right?


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PaulW
Punatic

5494 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2016 :  12:08:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Check out the About Us page on Gypsy's link. If you still don't see it, then never mind.

I'm sure we agree on many things but you want to call people names so good luck to you.

Geothermal would have a great future here if not for the anti-science mindset, the ineffectual government and that crazy electricity deal.
Having a noisy anti-science crowd doesn't help either.

"NIMBY, anti-science, less-than-genius individuals with a twisted mindset"
Who are you quoting, the voices in your head?
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